Objective Complaints

[tempejim]

Originally posted by 2_hotty@Dec 10 2003, 11:58 PM


There is nothing free in this world. If you're so appalled at the fact that there are ads on this site, or that people actually rely on some sort of income coming back from a site that THEY PAY FOR and DEDICATE THEIR TIME TO, why don't you take the money out of your pocket and start a your own ad free site. :angry2:

I wasn't going to post, but I got an email telling me to respond so I will.

Jason excersise his right, on his own site, to block someones account who publicly posts how they block the ads. What's wrong with that? Blocking ads on a site, hurts the site. If everyone knew how to do it, and no one ever clicked the ads, how long do you think that site would stay running?

He can do what the hell he wants. I understand that. But I take issue with two things. One, how do you know I or any other users blocks ads? I don't and I've said in my posts above that I have actually bought items from companies that post ads here. The company I used to work at blocked ads because they felt they were non-work related. So you would block me even though I have no control over the firewall? Please, that is myopic and thats why I was pissed. What about all the people who have posted in here that they use Mozilla? Why not ban them for not seeing the ad words? What I see is a admin who has taken on more than he can chew. The rush to revenue is hurting this site. Hell Anyone with the name Axim in their username gets that highlighted on the front page.

To answer your question about what would happen if everyone did it, well look at PPCT. I'm a member there and have paid for a lifetime membership. Why? Because I believe in what Jason is doing. I know you are all mods here, but the value of this site is only 1% of that at PPCT. Hell most of the news by RommelS seems to be from sites I already visit. If RommelS could find news that was not posted somewhere else or read off the newswire, then maybe I would think this site had value to donate. Now that brings me to another point, If I donate, I sure as hell want to see the ads go away. I have that option at PPCTs. I would donate $50 to this site in a second if I could get rid of them.

To say that you will no longer visit this site because Ninja likes the revenue coming in is rediculous. It sounds like you're looking for a site that is put out to help Jim, as long as that site doesn't have anything on it you don't want to look at. Good luck finding it.

As I said, Ninja is not Jason. His site is cute, but its not even the best Axim site out there. Go grab that new Axim book by Rich Hall. In there you'll see even Rich slams the site as a second bannana to Aximsite. As I said above, I could but up with these ads if there was a reason to come here.

There is nothing free in this world. If you're so appalled at the fact that there are ads on this site, or that people actually rely on some sort of income coming back from a site that THEY PAY FOR and DEDICATE THEIR TIME TO, why don't you take the money out of your pocket and start a your own ad free site. :angry2:

What are you talking about? You have read nothing I have posted. I have said I pay for sites I find value in. Here we are at a crossroads of Aximusers. What will this site become. I think its too late to overtake Aximsite, but that doesn't need to be the effort. If the only reason this site exists is for Ninja to make money, then why should we all take the time and effort to help increase his wealth. Our posting has moved this site up in the Google search. We are the ones who are doing this, not Ninja. The more posting that goes on here, the more revenue he gets. Why shouldn't I feel like I have some say in how this site is run?

I am a admin and a mod at a non computer related site and believe me I know how much all this hosting and bandwidth costs. But when do we say enough is enough? Since the change in ads we've seen complaints about tracking cookies and others using Mozillia to get around the ads. I still stand by my reasons to leave because I'm not going to fund the Ninja new computer fund without getting value in return. I see none of that here. PPCT and Aximsite from now on.

[tempejim]

My take on all of this is, it's not fair to block normal ads. Because they deprive the site of revenue. But if the ads are the crazy kind like the ones that float over the page, the ones that add little links so users get confused, tracking cookies, or popups, it's fine (and even a right) to block them.

Hell most every add on this page that isn't hosted by Aximusers uses a tracking cookie. So by your estimate, we can block them.

See my point. Where to you draw the line? As I said, I block nothing even letting Aximusers write cookies to my hard drive. I would say if anyone admits they are blocking cookies then they will deprive this site revenue because there is no way to measure what the person clicked on and how long they were there.

See how hard it is to measure what is a blockable ad and what is not?

[tempejim]

If everyone posted to forums saying they have ways of avoiding all the ads, then what advertiser is going to pay for them?

They have, use Mozilla...

[RommelS]

Hell most of the news by RommelS seems to be from sites I already visit. If RommelS could find news that was not posted somewhere else or read off the newswire, then maybe I would think this site had value to donate

On that note, mostly all the work done here is by Computer Ninja and I, and if I have all the time in the world, I would even do my own editorials, but I JUST don't. Just in case you have not notice, when I was posting news vigorously here in the beginning, I was beating PPCT when it comes to posting news, but of course, you didn't notice that because you're always there, and that's fine because PPC owners goes there for information. In fact I enjoy going to that site also. by the way, where do you think sites out there find their news? Yes you guessed it, news wires, other sites, and emails from vendors. Every site does that Tempejim.

By the way, please check to see if PPCT has the news for "Ballshooter Games Announces Their Christmas Offers" news that I've posted today.

On the other hand, I have made a suggestion to Computer Ninja to limit the link ads, and he has promptly made the changes. The front page no longer has the ad links, and they only shows in the comments in the forum.

As for Aximsite, we are not trying to over take that site, we have our own community here, and we enjoy what we have here. We try to please all of our members as much as possible, but we know that we cannot please everyone. We are here to help as much as we can, and have fun.

By the way, I just want to inform you that I'm doing this for free because I enjoy doing it.

Tempejim, please don't take my comments here in a wrong way, but I just want you to know some of the stuff that happens in the background, and we also thank you for voicing your opinion.

[tempejim]

On that note, mostly all the work done here is by Computer Ninja and I, and if I have all the time in the world, I would even do my own editorials, but I JUST don't. Just in case you have not notice, when I was posting news vigorously here in the beginning, I was beating PPCT when it comes to posting news, but of course, you didn't notice that because you're always there, and that's fine because PPC owners goes there for information. In fact I enjoy going to that site also. by the way, where do you think sites out there find their news? Yes you guessed it, news wires, other sites, and emails from vendors. Every site does that Tempejim.

Fair enough. You do get some stuff before they do I'll give you that.

On the other hand, I have made a suggestion to Computer Ninja to limit the link ads, and he has promptly made the changes. The front page no longer has the ad links, and they only shows in the comments in the forum.

Then by my comments here change has happened. Thats good. Ninja has limited most of the crazy ads and thats really all I care about. I'm more than happy to click on ad links, but as I said before, I'd rather see 3 for Seidio rather than the one asking me "Who are your ancestors".

As for Aximsite, we are not trying to over take that site, we have our own community here, and we enjoy what we have here. We try to please all of our members as much as possible, but we know that we cannot please everyone. We are here to help as much as we can, and have fun.

Nor do I want you to become Aximsite. What I was saying is that for this site to grow, people need to believe in it. Maybe I'm the only "nut" here complaining, but I feel strongly about this and if I didn't care, I could just walk away and go somewhere else. But as you can see I can't.

By the way, I just want to inform you that I'm doing this for free because I enjoy doing it.

I would have guessed as much. Even PPCT doesn't pay their mods and they have much more traffic than almost any other PPC site. In fact Rommel, I"m glad to see this. You have restored some faith in this site by that statement.

Tempejim, please don't take my comments here in a wrong way, but I just want you to know some of the stuff that happens in the background, and we also thank you for voicing your opinion.

I don't take that anyway other than the way you meant them. You looked at what I wrote and let me know what you thought about it. I see nothing wrong with that. What I do see as a problem is a admin threatening to ban a member because of what they do with their own computer. Does ABC not send me a feed because I have a TiVo? No and neither should Aximusers if I choose to block the ads, which I don't.

[Cherub]

You know, I was thinking today. Which seems rare nowadays for people on earth. I came to the conclusion that nobody forces you to visit this site. If you don't like it because you are a selfish bastard go away, and stop complaining. Quite frankly I'm tired of sharing the planet with people who can't share.

[EEE55]

Here here-

If you don't love this site and the community here like the rest of us do, just leave, we seriously wont miss you.
I really don't pay much attention to other ppc sights, they seem less familiar, I really feel like this is my axim-family, and I will put up with anything to keep it that way.

[minimage]

Originally posted by tempejim@Dec 12 2003, 06:41 PM

They have, use Mozilla...

I think you missed the point of my question. Let me rephrase it: "What organizations would pay forums to advertise if everyone posted to forums saying they had ways of blocking these ads?"

I don't use IE, and Opera can be (and was) set to tell servers it is Mozilla 5.0. I changed it to IE to see if I could see the ads.

[tempejim]

To be honest, the non PPC ads on this page don't really care. Aximusers only gets their cut when someone clicks and stays around for a set amount of time. Ninja can explain it better than I because I don't know what he signed up for, but usually its not good enough to just click on the ad, but you have to do something there too. The fact that people post doesn't have any affect on those ads. Now what about the PPC ads? Well if others do as I have and told the software makers where we learrned about the product, then they will continue to buy ad space from the place we tell them we saw it. I doubt Aximcases cares if I were to block their ad if I went ahead and bought a case because of Aximusers.

I wasn't saying you were intentionally blocking the ads, but if I had never brought this up, you would have never seen what I was talking about.

[Cherub]

While we are on the subject I do want to point out that one of the ads does use Avenue A, whatever type of tracker or cookie that is, it's really annoying because I have to reload the page several times before it fully loads. That said, I have another point.

Last time I checked, I was able to avert my eyes from an advertisement I didn't want to read. This is due to this really cool software I have installed in my brain called SELF CONTROL you guys should really try it out. It might even help you from saying stupid things in forums like this one.